Without these holiday animation innovators,The Nightmare Before ChristmasandFantastic Mr. Foxprobably may never have come to be.

Here are some issues that adults have with the reindeer who went down in history.

when he realizes the misfit deer is his only hope for navigating the Christmas Eve storm.

Hermey the Elf and Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer

The show is all about the guys

Even by 1960s standards,Rudolphcomes across as mighty sexist.

All the female characters are minor ones, and they’re as stereotypical as they come.

The identical girl elves do nothing but sing and look cute.

Santa Claus with the Donner family

For instance: Is the show actually a metaphor for the LGBTQ+ community’s struggle for acceptance?

This seemingly simple holiday special have been hiding a deeper message?

Also, who took care of elves' teeth before Hermey came along?

The misfit doll from Rudolph

And speaking of the Misfits, why has Santa been turning a blind eye to them all these years?

Doesn’t he realize that some child might actuallywanta Charlie-in-the-Box?

Sometimes you have to stop being a grown-up and look at a holiday cartoon through a child’s eyes.

Hermey the Elf

ForRudolph, we’re willing to believe in holiday magic.